CSIA DEMO TEAM教练评论各国滑雪style

checkmoteur

这位教练的名字叫John Gillies，针对的是interski上的各国风格。简单听写，方便比对。实在听不清楚的一些词用删节号代替。英语听力好的大侠可以跟帖改错填空。

比较有意思是对加拿大自己的评论，看上去就两点：

1，对canadian team（技术？）的amteur特色的再三申明
2，强调CSIA技术风格，已从以往带给别人的刻板印象中改进

这些过往的刻板印象，包括两个方面：

1，过于注重形式，form，而不是function
2，较为后座的stance

其实还有第3个，就是John Gillies指出的，Psia的一个招牌性动作：up-unweighting，以及由此带来的pressure建立在arc后半部。非常有意思的是，俄看过Psia的人指证这是Csia的技术特点，且评价不高……



so just what is contemporary skiing, technically skiing involves quite a lot last number of years, and because it's ruled by basically the limits of the human body, and by the technology we have under our feet, it ends up most of the top skiers ski pretty similarly, quite a wide stance for stability, lot of independent between the legs, and skiers maintain stronger stance through all the arc, early edging, pressure built above the fall-line, and released early, so the skier's flatting the turn below fall-line.

法国：

With the French, for example, we see them very active in the fore/aft plane, they're very loose, upper body's quite involved in balance, in term of getting over the skis earlier in the turn, and can be interpreted as being a little less disciplined, but on the other hand it's very very dynamic, very free, powerful skiers. they involve the knees a lot at the beginning of the turns, well before the body is stacked and placed the knees are already involved and active, can get an early grip against the snow.

奥地利：

the Austrians are obviously the first to be recommended with, strong alpine nation, a well developed system, their skiing is very sound mechanically, wide stable stance, they have obvious a re-centering at the beginning of the turns, so they're very strong over the outside ski, very early on the turn. quite disciplined in their upper body, almost...the point where it seems stiff sometime, somehow the mechanic's so getting in the way of the flow, it seems a little bit more preoccupied with form, a little bit less fluid. but once again, strong skiers...while research obviously basing on high-end skiing on the world cup model.

瑞士：

the top Swiss demonstrators certainly demonstrated a great amount of freedom in their skiing, little bit.. RI, perhaps a little wild with the upper body, but still very much driven by the lower body, so really not rotation, but certainly very very free, and once get passed individuals you see them moving inside of the turn was a great deal of commitment, and without being restricted in any way, and certainly something to aspire to... at anyone ski...

德国：

when we skied with the German demonstrators, they showed us once again very good skiing, probably a little less active in the fore/aft plane, bit more on the middle to slightly to the tail of the skis, but nice disciplined...the upper body, very active once again with the steering the lower body, and fine calipered skiing as well

意大利：

the Italians are always of course strong skiers, obviously influences by world cup model skiing, strong centering move early in the turn, so the early stand up to get centered over outside ski, very tall long outside leg for strength, quite a lot of discipline in their upper body, and very powerful skiers. on the other hand their  synchronized skiing certainly some point restricted the freedom of their skiing in favor of the formation so the skiing suffered a little bit as a result of that. but as individuals they were definitely great skiers and fun to watch.

美国：

the Americans demonstrate a good functional all-mountain approached ski technique, going  some ways quite similar to the Canadian approach, probably not quite as perform-oriented in the high-end, a little narrowed stance, then will be desirable for high performance skiing, and a tendency towards vertical movement, which takes some above the snow a little bit in the early part of the turn, so between turns then come up  a little bit, and make some little light, so the pressure then comes onto the ski after the fall-line in a lot of cases, but overall a nice demonstration I'd like to say a very functional technique for all-mountain skiing.

日本：

the Japanese take a different approach, starting a few years back we heard they were talking about the bi-axial turning, basically the body fall of the outside of the foot, you can see that in their skiing, to see them skiing with quite tight stance, they absorb between turns, almost you can have...where they allover absorb pressure between turns, and stretch the legs out of the side, the pressure actually comes onto the skis fairly late in the arc in a lot situations, and then they basically absorb it very quickly at the end. and the demonstrations the choreography were nice, but the skiing is soft voice in that higher performances...the break chords bit, but there's definitely some interesting things to be watched and looked at within the Japanese skiers.

加拿大：

so what is the Canadian technical approach fit into all of this? good question. I invite you to look at the footage eh individual skiers and judge for yourself. I think we stand up pretty well over all, we've moved ahead a lot with the technique of last number of years, we're much less focus on positions and mechanics and much more focused on outcomes and results against the snow, and we're skiing more loosely and more powerfully than we've ever skied, much more centered especially at the top of the arc than we have in the past, and we are letting ourselves going more freely, but less restricted. overall,you know, we can be proud about we have demonstrators that can ski right along side some of the best in the world, many of the demonstrators from other countries have come up through racing and world cup, even some of them and  then they become demonstrators for the national team. and we've taken another approach...put people in the system through ski's course, so we have here guys and girls that have gone through their one two three and four and here they are skiing as the rest of them, so our system works, and we can have a lot of faith in term of moving ahead and believing all we do, and we have nothing to be ashamed by...means in many ways I think technically we're exactly where we need to be.

luvski

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checkmoteur

看来看去好像日韩更像瑞士的风格。不像奥地利啊。

雪坷垃

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checkmoteur

KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-4-26 15:37
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瓜教主还是别捧了，正经看看日本那段，什么soft voice、break chords，到底说的什么。俄被卡住很久啊。真听不出来丫叨叨的什么……

checkmoteur

epicski上一位Psia的老兄是这样批评（如果可以说是批评的话）Csia style的：

CSIA on the other hand does have a definite style and much more consistency to the way they ski. I'm not making any comment here about which way is better or worse then the other, only saying that I think CSIA puts forth a higher level of precision in terms of the exact moves they want their instructors to make. PSIA is a bit looser, saying that skill blending, etc. are the way to do it which provides for a wide variety of skier types and styles, but also gives up the ability to be as precise about what is expected...and resulting in skiers which all have their own look to them.

That being said, CSIA does have a distinctive look to them, which sets them apart from many other systems.

1 - The hips are generally found further back

2 - In order to remain center balanced, they bend forward at the waist

3 - They round out their back in this pose, which gives them the hunched look that has been mentioned in the past.

4 - Another characteristic of CSIA skiing is that they like to use very active extension as they approach the fall line and very active flexion starting at the fallline and continuing until they finish the turn. Someone recently posted a NW PSIA guy doing this same type of move, but it is not something I have generally observed commonly among PSIA teachers and demonstrators. Its not a sudden pop up move. Its rather a long slow extension towards the fall line and a long slow flexion from the fallline to the turn finish.

简单说：

1，太注重外在表现

2，重心后坐，需要前弓腰去弥补，造成一个驼峰背

3，在transition时pop-up，压雪板晚

第一第二条似乎被gilles同志的发言证实了。第三天gilles同志用来反过来指证是Psia的style。当然这位psia的老兄也指出，多数psia教练没有这个特点。

俄没看到太明显的什么驼峰背，pop-up是有的。重心似乎稍显后坐了一点，相比其他style。

雪坷垃

checkmoteur 发表于 2013-4-26 16:08
epicski上一位Psia的老兄是这样批评（如果可以说是批评的话）Csia style的：

CSIA on the other hand does ...

我觉得这点上csia和psia是彼此彼此，属于50步笑百步。可能演示的人不同而风格也略有不同，这个视频里确实是米国人比加拿大的跳的更厉害点。但总体来说两者建好板压都到了弯的后半部分。

John Gillies解释为更偏all mountain的滑行风格，我觉得这个说法很好。

日本人利用伸缩长短腿来转换，这种方式本可以很早的建立板压，但不知为什么他们也搞的很晚。

欧洲的几个国家在这点上普遍做的更好。按照John Gillies的说法更有world cup风。

瑞士那个滑的十分松散，我看John Gillies简直没词儿了，只好一个劲的说：哦很free啊很loose啊。老实说看着很奇葩，我不喜欢。

snowrider

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KuoiGuaBoarder

雪坷垃 发表于 2013-4-26 16:20
我觉得这点上csia和psia是彼此彼此，属于50步笑百步。可能演示的人不同而风格也略有不同，这个视频里确实 ...

没考证过，我猜
world cup风是指那人是racer出身