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作者: 面条雪    时间: 2013-12-10 00:12
标题: Ted vs Bode
本帖最后由 面条雪 于 2013-12-10 01:18 编辑

[youtube]ImKW4aYEHSE[/youtube]

http://youtu.be/ImKW4aYEHSE
作者: Bingster    时间: 2013-12-10 00:47
amazing ...
作者: flake    时间: 2013-12-10 08:15
好视频!赞,赞,超赞!

Bode 刚复出就这么猛,佩服。Ted 蜻蜓点水般滴就赢了1秒多钟,超人。
作者: lulu    时间: 2013-12-10 09:10
技术上看不懂,个人更喜欢Ted的动作风格,更紧凑,赏心悦目;Bode同学,按老怪的说法,用身体滑雪的阿,天赋难敌
作者: checkmoteur    时间: 2013-12-10 10:09
Bode真是超级A片啊。夫人好漂亮的说。

Shred is now the no.1 of giant slalom,nobody can challenge that yet。

bode跟王大小姐一个型,太大只,天生的速度赛选手。技巧赛,跟小个子玩,有劣势。
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-10 10:44
本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2014-6-15 16:31 编辑

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作者: lupo    时间: 2013-12-10 11:37
偶像不再是绿帽子,变成小红帽了!

主持人解说的好,more efficient and more effective。
作者: 面条雪    时间: 2013-12-10 12:48
On the subject of High C or up-side-down at the top of the turn, the more energy you bring from the last turn, in transition, especially on steep, icy snow, the less counter balancing you need.

Watch the WC skiers, they often delay counter balancing until they are into the pressure building phase. They can get away with it at times as they produce and use so much thrust from the last turn to float through transition. Some use more counter-B and are formal with it, they counter immediately. Rocca is one of the more solid counter balancers, that is why his skiing has become so consistent and that is why Bode is so inconsistent. Bode leaves counter acting movements to the last second in many turns. It is for this reason I say, don't copy Bode, he plays with balance, rather than assuring himself of balance. Darren is very solid in almost every turn.

If you have little energy from the last turn you need tremendous counter balancing moves. It is for this reason that when learning the High C, you have to focus on the counter balance and counter acting movements to compliment the foot tipping.

You have to have strong foot tipping first, because some of the foot tipping action will be reduced when you begin focusing on the upper body. We always say, "first you have to ski with your feet, then you can refine with the upper body." The foundation of a layer cake is the base, the top is the icing.

The same applies to the High C turn entry. Many skiers are hesitant to release quickly and transition, (releasing quickly: means a deliberate flexing or bending movement giving up pressure on the stance ski) even when they develop ski bend and energy.

This takes confidence and mileage. In our all mountain camps and introduction to race camps we cover the tendencies needed to be aggressive in the release. You will see a section in the new book on this subject.

Releasing quickly does not mean shorten the end of the turn or beginning your flexing before the falline. It does mean you have to release while the stance ski are still loaded, don't be fooled and be drawn into the traverse, where all the energy is lost

As a footnote: many skiers complain to me that they are having difficulty achieving the early engagement without skidding the top of the turn. If you don?t release with a softening, flexing of the old stance leg when the ski is loaded, the energy doesn't create a float between turns.

Even if this doesn't happen you can save the turn by counter balancing, but if neither happens the body begins to fall or lean downhill, which means a tumble. At this point the only way out of a tumble is to push the skis to the side. There are varying degrees of this push, but you can check the size of your own push by climbing back up the slope a few feet and reviewing your tracks.


(said to be an old post in 2006 by HH)
作者: bullpower    时间: 2013-12-10 12:53
本帖最后由 bullpower 于 2013-12-10 12:55 编辑

我抖胆问下,我把解说字幕去了,还分的清不
作者: bullpower    时间: 2013-12-10 12:54
本帖最后由 bullpower 于 2013-12-10 13:04 编辑

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作者: firehwak2018    时间: 2013-12-10 13:02
1,看块头
2,bode 猛,ted巧。
3,bode crossover,ted cross under. (不全是,但能看出来)
4. 反弓得运用;上半个弯的形式
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-10 13:04
本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2014-6-15 16:29 编辑

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作者: firehwak2018    时间: 2013-12-10 13:07
看他俩就像看两个世代技术的pk
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-10 13:07
本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2014-6-15 16:29 编辑

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-10 15:25
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作者: checkmoteur    时间: 2013-12-10 17:40


两人的资料对比。bode居然比shred高8公分……

另外同意雪侠,bode只是动作难看而已,基本还是cross under,或through。
作者: checkmoteur    时间: 2013-12-10 17:42
比较有意思的是Disciplines的对比。

bode的头一项就是downhill。ted的头一项则是gs。
作者: checkmoteur    时间: 2013-12-10 18:50
slalom的当家小生,marcel hirscher,个子更小了,才得173,属于半残身高:


作者: snowspring    时间: 2013-12-10 22:13
Ted Ligety has phenominal lateral movement.  Notice how his bum is almost on the snow, huge strength to push through the turns and accelerate.  His GS is therefore better - more effiicient and effective.  Niice form aligned with better function.  
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 00:54
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 00:55
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 00:56
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 00:57
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 00:58
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 01:00
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 01:01
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作者: snowspring    时间: 2013-12-12 08:33
snowrider 发表于 2013-12-12 00:54
I think that Ligety is able to ski faster than others because he is able to create edge engagement ...

Oh yes the more he is on edge the more lateral you see through the turns. Tremendous torque
作者: snowspring    时间: 2013-12-12 08:36
Yes. you can see the form - huge lateral on edge tremendous torque - add power to the turn for acceleration
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-12 13:37
本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2014-6-15 16:24 编辑

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作者: 面条雪    时间: 2013-12-14 12:05
Ted vs Bode, Round 2

[youtube]M7aAEGNJzzo[/youtube]

http://youtu.be/M7aAEGNJzzo

[youtube]jvdmpCqR-xM[/youtube]

http://youtu.be/jvdmpCqR-xM
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-15 17:48
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-15 17:51
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作者: IntoTheWind    时间: 2013-12-15 23:29
snowrider 发表于 2013-12-15 17:48
問大家一個問題 ... 那個第一片子 Bode Miller 為何會絆倒跌跤?  主要原因是為什麼?  請大家來猜猜!
(我 ...

新弯启动太晚,上一个弯的能量耗尽了,导致release不够
作者: IntoTheWind    时间: 2013-12-15 23:30
snowrider 发表于 2013-12-15 17:51
問大家一個問題 ... 那個第二個片子 Ted Ligety 為何會滑跤?  主要原因是為什麼?  請大家來猜猜!
(我的猜 ...

内脚承重
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-16 19:42
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-16 19:51
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作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-16 23:43
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作者: IntoTheWind    时间: 2013-12-16 23:53
snowrider 发表于 2013-12-16 23:43
嘿嘿 ... 我說了一大篇 - 結論就是 TL 他 aggressively 地 ... 滑一跤了!  為什麼會滑一跤?  要解釋是 ...

这样说就懂了。就是立刃太高,几乎到90度了,雪面支撑不了几乎水平的推雪。
作者: 面条雪    时间: 2013-12-17 23:25
Funny, I've explained this numerous times now, and it finally ended up on the forum. Bode had already released the pressure on the stance ski, but didn't get it tipping into the new turn. However in the process he started extending his leg, on his uphill little toe edge, but didn't transition it to the big toe edge (big mistake and it's an old US Ski team coaching technique). Does anyone remember the old extend on the uphill ski advice on Epic? This is it and this is what happens when you use it. He catches his outside LTE while extending, it caught on an old chatter. Down you go! High side.

He only crossed his ski after the little toe edge stopped moving to the outside. That is normal, the LTE ski stopped when it hit the chatter, but the rest of the body and equipment was still moving and had momentum, that's why the ski crossed. The ski crossing wasn't the reason, it was the result.
by HH

2fps video:  
http://youtu.be/JjuiWL14lQ4


作者: bullpower    时间: 2013-12-17 23:49
本帖最后由 bullpower 于 2013-12-17 23:51 编辑

我倒是有个问题,第二段摔跤视频

没看出他们拿雪杖干嘛用,没点杖反正
作者: Bingster    时间: 2013-12-18 08:44
面条雪 发表于 2013-12-17 23:25
by HH

2fps video:  

这个都能找出来,佩服。
作者: snowrider    时间: 2013-12-18 09:00
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作者: 面条雪    时间: 2013-12-22 12:17
加拿大 Erik Guay #1

http://youtu.be/qAJSS1G-4js

[youtube]qAJSS1G-4js[/youtube]
作者: 面条雪    时间: 2013-12-22 12:21
Vonn and Woods

http://youtu.be/iTihZzZVtIA

[youtube]iTihZzZVtIA[/youtube]




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