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标题: Bill C-389 如果通过了,公共洗手间还能安全吗? [打印本页]

作者: June    时间: 2011-2-13 12:23
标题: Bill C-389 如果通过了,公共洗手间还能安全吗?
我是说如果有人滥用了这所谓的人权的话。

作者: skisnowboardca    时间: 2011-2-13 12:52
什么内容?
作者: skier12321    时间: 2011-2-13 13:12
就我所知是,性別可由自己決定,並不由出生而決定!
所以通過的話,可能的情況是,若有男人宣稱自己是女性,那 他/她 就會跑到女生廁所去了!

唉!目前這bill居然已通過安省二讀了!
作者: Phoenixtear    时间: 2011-2-13 18:51
估计要那种做了变性手术后,确实已经人工成功改造成了异性,并且领了证明后才行吧
作者: Phoenixtear    时间: 2011-2-13 18:52
如果有人认为自己不男不女的话,那岂不是可以男厕女厕想进哪个就进哪个了?
作者: snowspring    时间: 2011-2-13 20:13
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Correction :  This is a federal bill not a Ontario bill.   This is before the Pariliament in Ottawa not here in Toronto.
作者: andrew    时间: 2011-2-13 20:56
真不可思议,SNOWSBRING请讲讲这里的法理依据,我们长长知识
作者: andrew    时间: 2011-2-13 20:57
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真不可思议,SNOWSBRING请讲讲这里的法理依据,我们长长知识
作者: snowspring    时间: 2011-2-13 21:43
本帖最后由 snowspring 于 2011-2-13 21:46 编辑

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I actually do not know much about this.  I believe this Bill is to amend the Canadian Human Rights Code - this code applies to all federal insitutions ( like federal government) and federal regulated businesses and services ( like banks, trains, airline etc). But it does not appliy to provincial governement and provincial regulated business and services ( like hospitals, schools, etc)  The Code prohibits discrimination for certain groups.  Right now, the groups protected are under sex, religion, race, sexual orientation, national origin, age, etc.  ( I do not have the list in front of me).  The Bill will amend the Code to include one more ground (or grounds) like trans-gender ( and another one which I do not remember).  I think trans gender means you are of a certain gender but you feel like another gender.  The most often heard expression is like " I am a woman but trapped in a man's body" or vice versa.  Now, people have gone through medical treatment and surgery to change their sex.  Like from man to woman or vice versa.  I believe after you change your gender you can legitimately say you are the other sex now and utilize all the places reserved for the other sex.  The Canadian Human Rights Code will protect them under that sex if necessary, or if challenged.  However, some people who did not do the medical transformation cannot.  The  Bill is to amend the Code so that these people can be protected under the Code.   

The above is I think what the matter is about.      Hope that helps the understanding.

作者: andrew    时间: 2011-2-13 22:29
本帖最后由 andrew 于 2011-2-13 22:34 编辑

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谢谢,SNOWSBRING。看来是加拿大人权宪法的修正案,把变性人也包括进出了。可以想象这个人群在社会中最受歧视。有一次在医院里上班,COVER同事,同事去BREAK前,再三嘱咐,如果进了病房,发现一男病人,千万不要叫MR, 要叫MS. 好在病房有private的单间给她,如果没有单间病房,这该犯难了。如果这个修正案也实用与省属的服务机构,这个病人就住女病房呢?

作者: snowspring    时间: 2011-2-13 22:40
本帖最后由 snowspring 于 2011-2-13 22:46 编辑

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You are quite right Andrew.  We may want to look at the big picture and then look at the smaller picture.  The small pricture is like just focussing on the washroom issue.  Think about this.  Right now there is nobody preventing a man dressing as woman going into a woman washroom any way if he is not discovered.  Same thing there is nothing preventing a woman dressed up as a man and go into a man's washroom if she is not discovered.  But if there is a disturbance then she/he can always be prosecuted.   In fact right now many places have a wheelchair accessible washroom and either man or woman can use it.  That is not a problem at all.

In any group, there are bad people and they abuse the right soceity gave them in the form of law.   For instance there are welfare frauds.  However should we deny/abolish these rights altogether because some people abuse them or should we not deny these rights but find out how we can stop the abuse.   

Nevertheless, to amend the HR's Code is not a small thing. It is important that we look at every facet and think things through. That is why there is debate in the parliament and various parties can debate about it.   People can also contact their MP and express their opinion - whether you are for or against or suggest amendments etc.  This is part of the democratic process.  
I for one have not had time to  think this through.

作者: paul_zhou    时间: 2011-2-13 22:42
以后应该用这个标志


作者: andrew    时间: 2011-2-13 22:55
本帖最后由 andrew 于 2011-2-13 23:05 编辑

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上了一节立法课,法律保护了一部分人的RIGHT, 势必损坏另一部分人的RIGHT, 看来我们得多去PM那声述自己的意见

作者: kick    时间: 2011-2-13 23:47
SNOWSPRING要是用中文再发一遍就好了!
作者: bing    时间: 2011-2-14 11:05
June 发表于 2011-2-13 12:23
我是说如果有人滥用了这所谓的人权的话。

要是通过了受益肯定是女同雪,你没见洗手间排长队是总有个别女同雪混入男洗手间吗,这下可以光明正大的抢了.




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